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New AeroQuad Frame Prototype  (Read 1220 times)

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I had an interesting discussion with a guy at my local hobby shop the other day.  He owned a plastics business and I started asking him what it would take to build custom pieces for a quadrocopter frame.

He basically told me if I can provide a drawing with measurements (even if it's a hand sketch), they could make anything... SO I've always been interested in learning Google Sketch and drew out my design of a quadrocopter!  I turned in my design and here's a prototype that came out!  I only built one arm made out of acrylic and one arm made out of ABS.  Acrylic is supposed to be stiffer but can break easily, while ABS is more flexible and can take a beating.  I favor the acrylic as it is more stiffer and since I got it in 1/8 inch thickness, it seems pretty tough.  Since it's a prototype arm, I'm going to wack an assembled arm on the ground and see if breaks or not.  Plus acrylic comes in a lot of different colors, so I'm going to bling it out!  Here goes some pictures!

I got some advice from one of my mechanical engineering friends and have a bunch more changes to stiffen up the whole frame (ie. use a C channel shape instead of an H, use X shaped struts, etc.).  I'll post more pictures as I work out this design.  Grin


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That looks wicked...

What kinda weight are you looking at for that?

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Can't wait to bling it out with different colors... going for something neon so I can see it at a far distance!  I'm hoping to get it under 250 grams and keep costs reasonable.  We'll see how it goes...

   
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Would you be up for posting the Sketchup file for those of us who might be able to get access to a cnc and might want to tweak it a bit?

   

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Sure, no problem!  All the AeroQuad stuff is open source.  You can find all my quad frame files on the Documentation folder in my Google code repository.  Please post a picture of any quad frame designs you come up with!

   
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What kind of manufacturing process is he using? Laser cutting? Do you know what kind of machining capabilities he has?

   
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That frame is looking cool.

Should end up being very strong when tested.


   

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What kind of manufacturing process is he using? Laser cutting? Do you know what kind of machining capabilities he has?
Actually, for my prototyping I decided to send it to Pololu.  They have a custom laser cutting service where you can submit your designs electronically.  It usually comes back in about a week.  Here's the link to their stated capabilities:
http://www.pololu.com/docs/0J24/4

They don't cut polycarbonate though.  Once my prototype is tested and operational I'm planning to go back to my local source to see if he can "cut" me a good deal on quantities and if he can machine polycarbonate.  I'm up for providing a variety of frames at my store... interested in selling copies of yours once we finish testing it?  I have to poke at Don too if he's interested in selling his frames.

   
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Hey Mikro, I have access to a laser cutter as well, and could cut stuff for you for free if you want. (You'd have to cover the material and shipping, but the cutting wouldn't cost you anything.) I couldn't do production stuff, but prototyping wouldn't be a problem.

I wouldn't have any problem with copies of my frame being sold. I could even send you some files for different sizes if you wanted, though anything above 8" props it gets kind of impractical to use that design with polycarbonate. Smiley (Above that and aluminum makes much more sense.)

   

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Fred!  Thanks for the offer... I'd like to spin up a smaller frame (like really small) after I finish my bigger frame.  Would it be OK to laser cut polycarbonate with your cutter?  Pololu won't do it because they say the fumes are too bad.

Just FYI, I have your frame all setup and have spun up the motors.  I get vibrations on two of the four, but I need to make sure the motors are torqued down enough.  I did have to move them because if how I wired up the connectors.  I'm just gun shy about screwing down the motors from the last experience (felt bad about cracking them with my usage of the thread lock).  I just wanted to get my latest software releases out before I start playing with it again.  I'll take pictures and post here and at RC Groups.

I also got my latest prototype in... it looks great, seems stiff enough to fly... but is a bit heavy.

Fred or any other mechanical engineer types, what's the best plastic to use that is light, stiff, but can take the impact of a quad crash?  I've used acrylic and ABS plastic so far.  I accidentally bought Lucite before... it's VERY stiff but ultra heavy.  Besides polycarbonate are there other good plastic candidates to try?

   
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Fred or any other mechanical engineer types, what's the best plastic to use that is light, stiff, but can take the impact of a quad crash?  I've used acrylic and ABS plastic so far.  I accidentally bought Lucite before... it's VERY stiff but ultra heavy.  Besides polycarbonate are there other good plastic candidates to try?

I am not qualified to even play a mechanical engineer on TV, but that being said I am picking up my new frame tomorrow morning.

Its based on your designs Mikro but I re-did the middle section. (also in the process converted the design to a svg file).

The place I am getting it laser cut suggested that I try Birch (there was a specific type but I can't remember it off the top of my head right now).  They said it was more durable and repairable then the plastic and actually lighter.

I'll know more tomorrow when I pick it up, and I'll post pictures as soon as I get it.

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Nice! Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.  Which version did you start from?  I have a v1.1 in the repository with the latest fixes after talking to an ME friend.

   
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Nice! Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.  Which version did you start from?  I have a v1.1 in the repository with the latest fixes after talking to an ME friend.


I think its based on the repo version.  I tend to just pull the trunk branch from svn and play there.

The frame cutting turned out wicked.

Smells awesome :-)  Love burnt wood.
The wood is Baltic Birch, and the guy who cut the stuff for me recommended Italian Poplar as it would be lighter and almost as stiff, but he didn't have any in stock at the time.

Still need to put it together, but I am happy with it so far.

Enough talk...  Time for some pictures.

Base Plate, Middle Ring, and Top Plate


Arm components


Arm assembled.  I need to cut the threaded rod and also create some standoffs for in between the wood pieces with some carbon tube I picked up.


Another angle of the assembled arm


Base plate, arm and middle plate.  Threaded rod will go all the way from the base plate up into the top plate with standoffs to create space.


Another shot of the arm, base and middle plates


The arm slips under the base plate when attached


I already have a 2nd revision of the design ready for when I crash this version.  It will reduce the weight a bunch by removing some un-needed material.

I don't have motor mount holes cut yet cause I didn't know the exact spacing so I didn't put them in the design.  But as I am assembling this one I'll add them in so they get cut.

I'll post some more pictures as I get it built up.

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NICE Pyjamasam!  In asking Pololu about alternate materials, they suggested balsa wood.  Please let us know how sturdy birch it is!  How much did it cost (if I may ask)?

Here's pictures of my current build!  I'm starting to think acrylic is not going to be very good... I already cracked the base plate.  Fortunately I had some 6x6" carbon fiber plates from a previous frame experiment... it's like steel and pretty light.


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NICE Pyjamasam!  In asking Pololu about alternate materials, they suggested balsa wood.  Please let us know how sturdy birch it is!  How much did it cost (if I may ask)?

It cost me about $60 CDN (cost of material and cutting) and I got it essentially overnight. (Ordered thursday, it was cut that night and I picked it up saturday morning)

I see you already noticed that things are a little "over structured" :-)  Your only using one of the x struts.

I think my 3 are super overkill and will most likely move to a single one as well.

The 4-40 threaded rod is a pain in the butt to cut and fiddle with so I am going to look for some bolts on monday to replace that with.

I have one arm together (not glued yet though) and its fairly rigid.  I think it will work quite well.

I have some more ideas and changes I want to make to the design and I'll do that on monday.  After that I'll post the file up for people to take a look at.

chris.

   
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